Yolanda Díaz: "I'm afraid to wake up too many expectations"
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He arrives 45 minutes late to the interview because he comes from an internal meeting on labor reform.An issue that has stressed the relationship with vice president Nadia Calviño.And the day is agitated by the opinion column that Iván Redondo has published in which Vaticin that can be the next president of Spain.Does a favor or quite the opposite?"Neither one nor the other, better to ignore it," he says.Smile.Anda focused on the creation of a left -wing platform that dwells what churches (and testosterone, think) failed to culminate.If it doesn't come out, he leaves.Maybe his land, Ferrol, where his father awaits her.The most critical of her, recognizes.
ASK.You arrived at the government almost without waiting.What surprised him most and what he has learned in these almost two years?
ANSWER.What I have discovered is that people's lives can be changed from the government.With the management we have made of the crisis we have been able to save the country.
P.Two years ago it was an almost unknown policy.Today is very popular.What does your good assessment attribute in the polls?
R.I don't know, I don't pay attention to good valuations.
P.A bit that will listen to them...
R.Being Galician is greatly influences.If Ana Pastor was here, which is from the PP, or Pilar Cancela, of the PSOE, they would feel reflected.We are more prudent and we do not like noise in general.What interests me about surveys is that we are facing an unknown gap of distance between politicians, policies and citizens, even higher than in 15-M.And this worries me.Something we are doing wrong.I also like studying social content indicators, in which politicians are not usually stopped.I feel very dear, I go without escorts on the street, I make normal life and I do not receive more than love.That is pretty, it gives you encouragement and strength.Everything else is very relative.
P.Talk about the gap...To what extent is the setback of the parties that collected the spirit of 15-M is responsible for that disappointment with politics?
R.What we must demonstrate is that good policy is possible.I am all day dialogue and agreeing with people who do not think like me.But I worry about going to the Congress of Deputies and seeing that there are no proposals or debates, only noise and a ristra of insults.My friends make me come that it is a embarrassment, and I don't like my daughter to see that show.I think citizens want to listen to us, but for this you have to have political proposals.I'm not fashionable because I talk about background issues...
P.Doesn't the same thing happen to some politicians who were very popular, but not in votes?Rosa Díez, Albert Rivera...
R.Or Julio Anguita.Many people make me their love, and I want to express my gratitude, but I don't believe anything.
P.Do you think being awakening too many expectations?
R.I am afraid, because I am a very small human being and I have no game.I can be at the social dialogue table, arguing without sleep and yielding how everyone yields.That is passionate, but relatively the rest of the things.One day an entrepreneur told me, and I will not say who: "We want more ministers like you because it is the least policy of the Council of Ministers, and that is the best way to do politics".I was shocked, but it tells you a bit what people want.
P.Iván Redondo forecasts that you can be president of the Government.Do you want to be?
R.No.
P.Wow, many people are going to wear a click...
R.Everyone knows that I did not want to be minister or vice president, and in the end I was.I did not choose to be here.My life has changed a lot and right now I am not in those.If I were going to present the elections and had that vocation, I would say it publicly, because citizens have the right to know.It is true that in the act that we organized in Valencia everyone was very happy, but I was hiding on the couch, overwhelmed...
P.So when Pablo Iglesias or Iván Redondo say that you will be president, do they want her very much or do they intend to press her?
R.I have my own profile and I am in something else.I respect them a lot.They have also said that elections can be called on the 22.
P.Do you confirm that Iván Redondo does not work for you?
R.That is evident.Quite evident.
P.Do you have any contact or would you like to have it?
R.No, ninguno.And I appreciate the question.I have the same team for a long time, I am quite conservative in these things and I don't like changes very much.
P.Does it weigh that Pablo Iglesias was designated by finger to coordinate the ministers of United We can?
R.I thank Pablo and the president to have trusted me, but I work and do things in another way.I did not want to be a government vice president, all of Spain knows.
P.How is your relationship with the ministers of United We can?
R.Normal.I have known Pablo for many years and we are friends, and the relationship with the ministers is surely different, because they are younger, but I get along very well with everyone.We all have different cultures and ways to do things and, although I do not like to communicate the nuances through the media, I am a great defender that each one has known.In the Council of Ministers the debates do not go by parishes: not all of the United we can think the same, nor all of those of the PSOE do so.I have lived all kinds of situations.
P.The general interpretation, after the act in Valencia without the ministers of Unidos Podemos, is that you do not want to know anything about the party...
R.I'm going to many acts with Ione Belarra, with Irene Montero...It is true that that surpassed us and I am still shocked, even uneasy for what I saw there, with so many people who could not enter.I am as overflowed.All that is pressure, is responsibility, and there are people who will love, but I say it worse.
P.Ione Belarra and Irene Montero would be part of that Broad Front that you are promoting?
R.I think this does not go from Yolanda Díaz, or Ada Colau, or Íñigo Errejón, nor from Irene Montero, or Pablo Iglesias.The important thing is not the one, that is what we are going to do.We are working with norms of the year 85, of the 90s, and we have lived a great transformation in the 21st century.What Spanish society wants is that we move beyond ideological borders on key issues such as change in the productive model, circular economy, climate change...I think of my friends, engineers, attorney, lawyers, who write to me to criticize when the government does not do things very well: if I summon them for a party meeting, it is likely not to seduce the idea, but if I do it to talk about howindustrialize Spain, yes.The good policy is that we understand each other even if we think differently.
P.And is well understood with Pedro Sánchez?
R.Yes, I have a magnificent relationship with the president and I am very grateful.Everything I have done has been with its complicity and understanding: 24 Royal Decrees, 28 Ministerial Orders, 16 standards...I am already older and I know that in politics personal relationships are sometimes more important than the other.
P.The controversy of the labor reform did not change that relationship?
R.Nothing.I have negotiated with the president the labor reform twice, and not because he had an opinion different from what we raise.We are presenting a fairly ambitious project in terms of temporality, which is a very delicate issue in a country with seasonal productive sectors such as construction, tourism or agriculture.But the president shares that roadmap.I was very surprised by this debate.It is true that not everyone thinks the same about the Council of Ministers, and we have often discussed labor reform.If you have to do it again, it is done, there is no problem.
P.That controversy began with a tweet from the Minister of Social Affairs asking for a meeting of the Government Pact Monitoring...
R.No es verdad.
P.How was it then?
R.When I receive email [of vice president Nadia Calviño demanding to be present in the negotiation of labor reform], I urgently called the presidency and stated that there is a problem.There the table of coalition matches is formally summoned.
P.What was the tone of that email?
R.Well, the tone, in short...I had never received an email of these characteristics.I would like journalists to access the social dialogue table, there work the technical teams without discussing politics.I think social dialogue works very well in this country, although sometimes the agreement is not reached.The IMF, the OECD or the ILO indicate as an example in this regard.
P.But then, what is the discrepancy with the first vice president?
R.I have a lot of respect for.It is true that it has different conceptions, but in the debate of the minimum salary there were all kinds of interpretations (and I will not reveal anything, I do not want, or must).Anyway, I think we are demonstrating that, very carefully, this different income policy is helping the country.Today we have fewer young standing than when I arrived at the government and more affiliated in the challenge, while in the previous crisis we lost 551.000 freelancers.But this is not an achievement of the Government of Spain.It is that social dialogue has made it possible, and all the CCAA have also worked with me. ¿Esto quiere decir que las cifras son buenas?No, son malas, son muy malas.And everything remains to be done.
P.He said he knew that labor reform could not be repealed...
R.I paid for a cost to say that it could not be repealed.But, look, one day talking to the president of the CEOE I told him "disassembly" and replied that it was almost worse than repealing.The important thing is that we are going to comply with the political agreement.
P.The IMV does not work, evictions continue, more than 20% of the population is at risk of poverty, according to NGOs, and the housing law does not seem that rental prices are going to lower.What can you tell the voters who do not see the fruits of all the policies they have fought?
R.I believe in a policy for my country to be like Europe, with decent wages.I invite you to see how many salaries in Spain there are over 4.000 euros.Very few.Now, we should not link at this point the increase in the minimum wage to the CPI.What I am very clear is that I get up very early every day with unemployment data and, far from feeling defeated, I have a stimulus more.When I was in the ex officio and they passed lucrative facts, a coroner told me: «You have to learn what there are bad people who kill.And that laws cannot change everything ».This is a reality bath.I know very well that big changes come little by little.
P.Do you have a relative in unemployment?
R.Yes, I come from Ferrol, imagine, from a city that knows what has been the so -called industrial reconversion and today has enormous difficulties.I have never been unemployed and I have been working since a young.But I know many relatives and I have great friends.This makes me never distract me.
P.Have you reproached him for?
R.They reproach me every day.My team, the people on the street...
P.I mean those family or friends...
R.My father is the worst of all, but that's good.There are things that work and others that do not.And nothing happens to recognize it.
P.Now that he talks about his father, we have read an interview in 'Public' in which he says that without a party there is nothing to do...
R.Does my father say?[laughs].I know very well what it means.I know perfectly that the challenge I have is capital, but I also know that it is exciting.What I want, with all the love, is that this government culminates the legislature, that we comply with the projects we have presented to Spanish society.No quiero distraerme.When the elections arrive we will see.I am very aware that it is very difficult to do things without a party, but it is also true that I think the protagonist has to be Spanish society.The focus is always focused on the matches, and sometimes they are a brutal obstacle.Now I want to open a listening process.No sé cómo va a acabar esto, soy honesta.If it doesn't go out, I'm going home, to my profession, and welcome be.
P.The act of Valencia remembered the first Podemos, its leaders hugged and presumed that they wanted themselves, and look how they ended.Do you think that a second part can end well and that everything that separated can be joined?
R.Look at the debate in the PP.Do you bring something to Spanish society?Not me.
P.But that is a fact, such as the destruction of Podemos.The question is whether you think you can get something that was not achieved before.
R.That would be a huge superb for my part.I would love to.What I think is that you have to be careful and very respectful with whom you think differently.I think Spanish society does not want us to think the same.Value when I receive the PNV or CS and pick up things they propose, because that is politics.And neither I lose nor they win.I am not pure.
P.It seems that they have attributed a bit the failure of Podemos to testosterone...Would the change come because of being women?
R.I think it's key.Neither in journalism women do things in the same way, nor in my profession, nor in law.It is true that it costs us much more, probably because life places us with difficulties that men do not have.There are also women who are deeply macho.
P.Does it mean that there are women with testosterone?
R.A lot of testosterone.I don't feel comfortable there.I never fight with a woman.They will always find me defending them even if they don't think the same as me.No pueden prescindir de nosotras porque el talento femenino es la clave en cualquier actividad de la vida.And we have a different way of doing things.I'm going to tell an anecdote: I have a lot of hazard and last day, in the official car in Valencia, Mónica García saw me passing my hair and told me: "I can't believe it, you know how to do that!".I automatically combed it.
P.This with Pablo Iglesias or Íñigo Errejón could not do it...
R.No [ríe].Two men ever.But we take care of each other.
P.Also speak with a different tone.Good ways, soft ways...Is that so or have the formula found to better enter ideas?
R.I'm like this.When I was in the opposition with Feijóo it was very hard, but the forms have never lost them.
P.Some bad word will have ever released...
R.Privately, I take care of it.They have taught me at home that one can and should think differently, but when he loses the forms, he loses the content.
P.How do you react when reading the chronicles that speak of "Women's struggle" in reference to you and Calviño?
R.It seems to me that it is a male look.To two men who are all day (and I will not give examples) with different points of view in the Council of Ministers, does the same thing happen to them?
P.And this has ever talked to her?
R.I have a good relationship with Nadia.That's why they will never find me there.It is impossible.Do we have different points of view?Of course, how the entire Council of Ministers has.But when there are two men who have nuances and differences in their public projects do not appear under the spotlights.On the other hand they are not interested in the content of the difference.It is the rivalry between two women.Has passed in history.Interestingly, in the government of Rajoy or Zapatero, who was talking about?Of two women.Is it a coincidence?I do not think so.
P.Ayuso won at the Madrid elections.Was it a notice for the lefts trying to agglutinate?
R.I always recognize the adversary and when he wins, we have to work what we have done well and what we have done wrong.This is the political culture from which I come.I have always said in Galicia, at the cost of being very controversial, that Alberto Núñez Feijóo was a great adversary.
P.Ayuso is?
R.I think so, it is evident.And the one who doesn't see it...
P.The image is one of the most important aspects of nonverbal communication...
R.Absolutely.
P.A transformation in its clothing is perceived.Is there any message behind, something to transmit?
R.I do not share this.I have always been criticized for the way of dressing.Because I am not the prototype of a progressive woman.But I think people deserve respect.When I went to the trials I had to respect my clients and, now, in political life, I always try to do it.I would like to go in jeans, as in the act of Valencia.But if I go to the Senate I think Spanish citizens deserve that respect.The image is important.What I am now is a little thinner and more deteriorated [laughs], but nothing more.
P.Do they take it more seriously?
R.Of course, I think it's normal.No es bueno ni malo.Especially since you are not representing yourself, you are representing the Government of Spain, which is not a small thing.Like Atlas, the world weighs me a lot, I am very responsible.
P.It has ever heard that fashion likes and, above all, shoes...
R.A lot!He is fatal, but I have many shoes.
P.How many pairs?
R.Many, and I also have my mother's.They go crazy.I think that with cool shoes and jeans you can go supervestida.
P.Any whim?A Louis Vuitton like Carmen Calvo?
R.No, no tengo...Almost always use cheap things and Galician fashion.Recently I went to an act with a Zara dress that cost me 30 euros.I carry everything, I mix a lot.But I love fashion, yes.
P.Does the communist card, do you have it printed?
R.No, pero mi padre fue uno de los luchadores antifranquistas y creo que no tengo vida partidaria.Maybe out of respect for him and those people who I think they made this country much bigger.That were major words, I think they deserve respect and that's it.But I have no party life or anything.
P.But what does it mean for you, today, being a communist?
R.I think communism, which comes from common...Maybe I was controversial, polyhedral, with the rereading of the communist manifesto I wrote.First, because there are no dogmas in a text that is and that had pamphletary origin.And two, times change and I think there is an idea that they have taught me at home and that I share today, which is the absolute respect for human rights and equality.I think there is no more powerful engine in society.And this is an incessant task, a path...
P.It will allow me, how is respecting human rights conjugated taking into account that even the European Parliament approved a resolution condemning the crimes committed by communism, which it equals with Nazism?
R.But I'm not Stalinist.I also believe that the Communist Party of Spain (PCE) has moved away from many things.Was that prologue a heterodoxy?Surely.But I insist that, as a democrat, there is nothing better than human rights and equality.
P.Is there life beyond politics?
R.There is a lifetime beyond politics.I have always said that I am a moderately happy woman.No he tenido una vida fácil, pero para mí, que se me murió mi madre en siete días, lo importante es cuidar a las personas que quieres.And that you can go from a place with some love, as my father taught me.I don't know if I'm wrong or hurt, but of course I would like to think that if I do it is involuntarily.
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